Friday, April 13, 2007

Ed, You Ignorant Slut

Ed, You Ignorant Slut

Potato Chowder

Ed Bruske, author of The Slow Cook, took issue with my Kitchen Window article on spring chowders. Ed and I have been reading each other's blogs for a couple of months now. He's a talented and thoughtful writer — and nearly as opinionated as I am. Ed's new on the flog scene, so do check him out. But as regards his issues...

The gist of his objections appears to be this: "It seems that if you simply twist the definition of a chowder a little — easy to do on a computer keyboard — anything that swims in a bowl can be called a chowder." (And note, Ed mostly blamed the editor and not the author for his objections, but in fact I signed off on the article before it was published, and, speaking as a one-time editor, this editor knows her business.)

The Food Lover's Companion defines chowder as: "A thick chunky seafood soup, of which clam chowder is the most well known," but continues, "The term is also used to describe any thick, rich soup containing chunks of food (for instance, corn chowder)."

According to The Food Encyclopedia chowder is, "a thick soup, frequently but not always made with seafood." And turning to the Joy of Cooking one finds: "Chowder — thick fish, meat or vegetable soups, to which salt pork, milk, diced vegetables, and even bread and crackers may be added."

I, too, have found myself pondering on the use or misuse of names associated with foods. Back in 2004 I wrote "By Any Name" addressing just this question. In the case of using the word chowder I checked my references first, and was vindicated. And if we look at the most likely origin of the word it's a reference to the cooking vessel (a cauldron or chaudière), not the contents. Does Ed argue that unless an 18th century-style cauldron is used it isn't chowder? Optionally, if you select jowter as the preferred etymology, then is the dish composed of fish purchased from a mounted peddler?

Words change. Just as the cauldron once used to make chowder in has now become a soup pot or Dutch oven (and there's another interesting bit of etymology) the ingredients have also changed. A Google search on "clam chowder" returns 953,000 results while "corn chowder" returns 412,000. But a search on "chowder" alone returns 3,850,000 — clearly there are a lot of things out there being call "chowder" that don't involve clams. In fact, in a comment to me Ed asserted that "To me, a chowder is still a pot of potatoes, haddock and fish broth." He did aver that there might be such a beast as "corn chowder," but didn’t even mention clams. (Note: "haddock chowder" garners only 14,100 hits.)

No man means all he says, and yet very few say all they mean, for words are slippery and thought is viscous. ~ Henry Brooks Adams

Words change. Awful begins as "to fill with awe" and ends with "horrible," bad becomes "good," and perhaps even the word for a mounted fish peddler becomes the name of a soup. And, for what it's worth, Google began as a proper name some 7 or 8 years ago and is now a verb — go figure.

However, Ed does make one valid point, albeit by implication, and that is that a given food is the version that to our minds is the archetype. To me macaroni and cheese is elbow pasta made with a cheddar mornay and baked in the oven as a casserole, to my nephews it's elbow pasta with a runny, bright orange sauce from a blue box cooked on the stovetop. And during the Only Annual Mac-n-Cheese Off we saw a lot of other takes on this supposedly simple dish.

And whatever it's called, doesn't that bowl of potato chowder look delicious? Whatever it's name, wouldn't it taste as good?

Technorati: | | | |

Labels: , , ,

24 Comments:

Blogger Erika said...

I need a spoon! My goodness that looks delicious!

4/13/2007 08:14:00 PM  
Blogger Kevin said...

Erika,
And it was delicious.

4/13/2007 08:28:00 PM  
Blogger cookiecrumb said...

My take on Bruske is that he can be a little brusque.
He's new to food blogging and doesn't yet know that this is friendly turf.
If he wants to discuss or disagree, fine. But no sniping.

4/13/2007 08:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wellllll, it's all soup to me. lol Just give me any old spoon, and I'll dig in. That chowder looks wonderful Kevin, and I have appreciated that you give some background on the foods that you prepare. I like your writing style and also the quotes you add in.

So, the potato soup I make is probably really a chowder?

judyinktown

4/13/2007 09:01:00 PM  
Blogger Kevin said...

CC,
I wasn't at all offended, in fact I liked his response. I've had many of the same thoughts he expressed.

Judy.
Thanks, and that's a damned good potato chowder.

4/13/2007 09:07:00 PM  
Blogger Ed Bruske said...

Very gracious of you, Kevin.

As a chowder purist, I am resigned to holding the minority position against the great, grinding onslaught of the food machine. It did pain me to take up quill against someone who's work I respect. Not sniping--just an opposing point of view from a home cook and chowder lover. I hope I can manage to be brusque and entertaining. It's all coming from a good place.

(Yikes! Am I sounding like Don Imus?)

4/13/2007 09:34:00 PM  
Blogger Kevin said...

Ed,
I understand your point of view, and hold a similar one for certain dishes. And I didn't think you were sniping. You expressed your opinion honestly and clearly and, as I said above, I enjoyed reading it. Absolutely no ill will here and I assumed there was none on your end.

4/13/2007 10:11:00 PM  
Blogger cookiecrumb said...

I'd like to chime in and say to Ed I hope you'll still cruise by my digs. So glad we're all happy and not snipin'.
:D

4/14/2007 01:15:00 PM  
Blogger drbiggles said...

Heh, Dutch oven. Try buying a Le Creuset from a French woman and call it that.

That, my dear sir, is a FRENCH oven.

I have a Danish oven too.

Biggles

4/14/2007 02:03:00 PM  
Blogger Kevin said...

Judi,
Just noticed your comment -- I've no idea if your potato soup is a chowder. And, of course, it doesn't really matter what it's called if it's good.

Doc,
"Try buying a Le Creuset from a French woman and call it that."

{G} Actually, I think the French term is "cocotte."

4/14/2007 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger cookiecrumb said...

I have a condo oven.

4/14/2007 07:18:00 PM  
Blogger Kevin said...

CC,
Does that mean you own the inside of the oven but the outside is jointly owned?

4/14/2007 07:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Andrea said...

Had I been eating chowder when I came to this post, I would have spewn it all over my computer monitor in laughter when I read "Ed, You Ignorant Slut" in the title!

Hilarious!

The chowder looks fab.

Now I gotta go check out this Ed guy's blog too. The more the merrier!

4/15/2007 12:40:00 AM  
Blogger Kevin said...

Andrea,
I couldn't resist the title.{g} And do check out Ed's blog.

4/15/2007 10:05:00 AM  
Blogger Ed Bruske said...

Kevin, you drove all kinds of visitors over to The Slow Cook. I don't know how many drank the Koolaid. But it was nice to see the message board light up.

A bientot...

4/15/2007 01:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't had any koolaid since I my children were little, and didn't drink much then, because I thought we might all die. ha

I'm wanting the recipe for a really good cauliflower soup, stew, chowder, bisque. Who's gonna step up to the plate with the recipe? I bought a beautiful head of organic cauliflower, and I don't want to keep it too long in the fridge.

judyinktown

4/15/2007 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger Kevin said...

Ed,
I'm some folks found you.

Judy,
I'm afraid I don't have a cauliflower soup recipe.

4/15/2007 04:14:00 PM  
Blogger Ed Bruske said...

In fact, I have a pretty good cauliflower soup recipe:

http://theslowcook.blogspot.com/2007/03/we-love-cauliflower-helluva-soup.html

4/15/2007 10:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The cauliflower soup sounds great, but after reading the recipes for roasting the cauliflower, I just might like to try that. I have come to love roasting vegetables. It is my favorite way to fix them. The flavor is so much richer, and it is sooooo easy (that's my favorite part). So thanks for sending me to the recipes!

judyinktown

4/16/2007 09:44:00 AM  
Blogger Kevin said...

Judi,
Roasted cauliflower is outstanding.

4/16/2007 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous stephen said...

Kevin, you publicity whore! I just googled "ignorant slut" and this post came up in the #7 slot on the first page...will have to reconsider my pedestrian post-naming strategy...! (I can't believe I just read 20 comments on the question of what is or is not chowder...!)

4/16/2007 01:19:00 PM  
Blogger Ed Bruske said...

Stephen, aren't you in Maine? You should know how particular people are about their chowders up there...

4/16/2007 01:45:00 PM  
Blogger Kevin said...

Ed,
Stephen's too busy searching for ignorant sluts too concern himself with chowders.

4/16/2007 02:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin,

I still don't know what is a chowder and what is a Dutch or French oven, but it was a real pleasure to read all of you, and specially you and Ed.
Pierre

6/13/2007 11:43:00 AM  

Post a Comment

Links to this post:

Create a Link

<< Home